tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post7596445477755068952..comments2024-03-24T16:47:21.470-07:00Comments on A World of Englishes: 100 years of the English Pronouncing DictionaryJane Setterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08213725380324824711noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-63683492675855908542019-04-10T07:57:21.794-07:002019-04-10T07:57:21.794-07:00Thanks, Sidney. Yes, I'm aware that glottal st...Thanks, Sidney. Yes, I'm aware that glottal stops are allophones. As they are so prevalent as inter- and post-vocalic variants of /t/ in some accents of English, however, it may be something we'd want to indicate more formally in CEPD, just like we indicate flapped /t/ in AmE. But that is something that would need to be discussed by the editors. As we are not currently being given an opportunity to do any update work to this dictionary - including adding new lexical items - I can't see that happening any time soon.Jane Setterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08213725380324824711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-81881662942825709522019-04-10T05:03:41.354-07:002019-04-10T05:03:41.354-07:00You asked about glottal stops and I don't see ...You asked about glottal stops and I don't see a reply yet. You acknowledge phonemic transcription, and the glottal stops of English aren't phonemes. They're components of preglottalized voiceless stops (including the voiceless affricate), so they're allophones governed by distrubutional rules.Sidney Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01138711082469220983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-28745048355107573292018-08-04T01:11:36.810-07:002018-08-04T01:11:36.810-07:00Such valuable and relevant detail imparted by you,...Such valuable and relevant detail imparted by you, I am contented reading this information from this article. Keep blogging.<br /><b><a href="https://engvarta.com//" rel="nofollow">English Practice App</a> | <a href="https://engvarta.com/how-it-works-for-customer/" rel="nofollow">English Learning App</a></b><br />Engvartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17508590058984269005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-80069158989534279612018-07-07T09:49:49.095-07:002018-07-07T09:49:49.095-07:00Many people will get lot of benefits by reading th...Many people will get lot of benefits by reading this kind of informational stuff .Thank you so much for this . <br /><a href="https://latestdictionary.com/" rel="nofollow"> Online vocabulary</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215396262191476617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-87130705500806371392017-05-09T03:39:09.615-07:002017-05-09T03:39:09.615-07:00Thank you Jane! :-)Thank you Jane! :-)Silviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08206140113822238505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-43905697176366377492017-04-25T00:49:35.567-07:002017-04-25T00:49:35.567-07:00Thanks, Sylvia! I'll certainly pass your feedb...Thanks, Sylvia! I'll certainly pass your feedback on to my editors at CUP.Jane Setterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08213725380324824711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-75638238800777914122017-04-23T04:23:45.455-07:002017-04-23T04:23:45.455-07:00Dear Ms. Setter,
Thank you for your article on th...Dear Ms. Setter, <br />Thank you for your article on the centennial of the CEPD. I still have the first copy I bought back in the 90s. It actually came as sort of a shock. I had been studying English (in Italy) for a long time and I thought I had the hang of it. How mistaken I was. When I started checking the pronunciation of some very common everyday words I thought there was something wrong with that dictionary, that it was full of typos or something. I had been mispronouncing so many words that it couldn't be right. Alas it was. An eye opener. And it still is every time I use it in class with my adult learners.<br />I would hate it if further editions didn't see the light of day. <br />I think the best combo is the paper edition with cd-rom (it is so useful to have it installed in your pc) with perhaps an online extension. I haven't tried the App myself. <br />As for the kind of pronunciation it should reflect I think that BBc English and Network English are, for the time being, still the way to go. I mean there must be a starting point somewhere. Some variations may be added by the individual speakers. They know what they are. But for NNS there must be some sort of point of reference. It's not like pronunciation is completely random although it allows for variation. <br />Anyway, long live the CEPD!<br />Best wishes,<br />Silvia Cortese<br />@eltrogue1 Silviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08206140113822238505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-56395067406807651782017-04-21T03:11:35.584-07:002017-04-21T03:11:35.584-07:00Yes, I prefer them, too! Peter and I are lobbying ...Yes, I prefer them, too! Peter and I are lobbying for further print editions but these things are always down to cost, sadly.Jane Setterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08213725380324824711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-39499973256825226732017-04-20T08:39:58.756-07:002017-04-20T08:39:58.756-07:00Hi, Jane
I have been using the English Pronouncing...Hi, Jane<br />I have been using the English Pronouncing Dictionary for quite a long time now and I don’t think I will ever get used to those electronic editions –I love the touch and smell of paper.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01762196203762970377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-70719774083072297422017-04-19T06:38:38.134-07:002017-04-19T06:38:38.134-07:00I agree that every word should be accessible to ev...I agree that every word should be accessible to everyone who speaks it. I'm not sure a pronouncing dictionary can represent multiple accents, though. Your suggestion about cross-accentual prons sounds good, but I wonder how one might action it.Jane Setterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08213725380324824711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7817242166326386497.post-30954201240951793742017-04-18T11:33:19.510-07:002017-04-18T11:33:19.510-07:00I think the way forward is to recognize that there...I think the way forward is to recognize that there is <i>no</i> standard pronunciation any more (most notably in the U.S., but elsewhere too), and to use cross-accentual prons (nice word!) based on an expanded version of John Wells's lexical sets, so that the speakers of Standard English in every accent can figure out how to pronounce words in their own accent rather than the way some other speaker would pronounce them. <br /><br />In principle, every word in the vast Standard English vocabulary should be accessible to everyone who speaks it, whether their accent is RP, Southern American, Ottawa Valley, New Zealand, Broad Australian, or Northern Indian. (There would be exceptions for words whose pronunciation is unique, like the General Australian <i>gone</i> /gɔːn/.<br /><br />Yes, it would be a lot of work, but for a huge amount of return.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.com